New C&L 3V Manifold for S197 Mustangs

John that really bites, I hope this news gets out and they loss their a$$ on these.

that sucks to have a big $750 paperweight

Sorry to hear that John I wonder if they was talking about a increase of 27 hp on a stock GT and just didnt say it.

That really blows man.

It it at all possible that with all your MODs, that you have reached max efficiency of the intake system on a NA car?

That's what everyone is suspecting in the tuner community. Either get a manifold for $750, or longtubes, cold air kit and delete plates. Depending on the LT buy, the manifold could be cheaper.

What really blows is that two guys I know that just got the manifold tested on their cars had ported heads. One didn't gain squat, the other actually LOST power. Now that REALLY blows.

It ain't put out to pasture yet but I suspect that it won't be long and C&L is going to find all that research $$$ going down the drain.

John, I haven't read the article, in fact, I've been trying to find it. I am curious to see if they showed the results on any vehicle, whether NA or FI, when the product first came about. Or has all this HP gain been word of mouth from C&L and the manufacturers? I know that this product was advertised for NA vehicles............but when talk of a 27HP gain is resulted, is it on a stock GT or with other mods? And if so, what modifications?

Pardon my nieveness and misinformation.......

I have the magazine, and I'll put it in my car for you the next time I see you.

The manufacturer test ONE F#%@ing car, bone stock, and gained 17hp. I believe it. 7-8hp comes from delete plates, and since these are built into the bottom of the manifold, that makes sense. So let's say the manifold really gives you 10hp over the deletes. Sure, that makes sense, all with a tune, of course.

But delete plates, longtubes and a cold air kit are probably pushing the same amount of air as the manifold, so if you ADD the manifold on top of those mods, then no gains. Or worse is even possible, as one guy with ported heads reported. As jeostang says, NA we're modded out at max efficiency already.

Good to be home thinking about cars again...

I see, so I can see why all the hype and anticipation for our NA cars, but DAMN, only testing it on one fricking car!!! That to me is pushing the product on to the consumer before even getting good test results to back up claims. Especially without track/ET times. And what about already modified NA car? WTF?

Did no one ask these questions before the product went on the market? I just don't get it..............with us NA folks, we are always trying to get more HP, mostly little by little. And I am stunned that they didn't do more appropriate research with more vehicles(from stock, to cammed, etc.) The more i read, the more I see this being a waste of distribution and hard labor............maybe over time things wil get figured out. I hate to say this........but at this point in time, I am glad I didn't spend the $700!

hey john i just bought this months issue of muscle mustangs and fast fords soley for the article they have front page which says "c&l intake tested to make 27hp gains".

2 things -1 they said it only made 15-17hp @ their "in-house" testing on a stock 07 gt (which we all know how they get those numbers- take a warm/hot car straight from the road trip down to the dyno and dyno it then have it sit a couple hours and cool off while they install their part and then test it again cold)

and 2 the magazine tested it on a modified n/a car with basically all the mods you have exactly and it made 27hp more but torq fell by 2 ( and both stock and modified it didnt produce gains until about 5000rpm)

Ithink its exactly what you say the delete plates are all the hp gain and like i said above their "testing procedure"

Google Evolution and dyno results. Just do it and read.

Yes, there are all sorts of tuning "tricks", including detuning the before. As I said, do a google search. My tuner doesn't do that crap.

Here's what I know and think: C&L had a few false starts with this manifold starting 3 years back! Several prototypes showed no gain at all. Ford did a good job on this.

C&L was under a lot of pressure to get this thing out. I find it VERY CURIOUS that it was tested during the winter and NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, reported track times. There are plenty of high profile tuners in the south that could have done this and run it at the track. But they choose Evolution Performance in PA??? WTF??? Of course they can't track test it.

Personally, I think the C&L manifold is likely to provide better gains to the FI community. Yet, NO ONE is reporting anything. You mean to tell me that only NA folks are ordering it?

Too much like conspiracy theory, so let's just wait a month or two for these things to get circulated, and watch for their results. Maybe something will find some combo that makes real gains...